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November 11th, 2007, 05:49 PM
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by Brian J Small

Kowa have been part of the birding optics community for quite a while. I owned my first after getting rid of my Swift Telemaster (or whatever it was called), and loved it. I still see many around, but just recently, one felt they had been left behind a little by the "big three", Leica, Swarovski and Zeiss.

Those that know me well are aware of the high regard I hold for my current telescope, a Zeiss 85 T* FL 'scope. Originally, I had a Leica, then briefly the large Swarovski, but I realised just how good the Zeiss was during a trip to Lesvos with Richard Campey from In Focus. His Zeiss was "knocking spots" off my Swarovski, especially in low light conditions, so when I got home I changed and have never looked back. I loved the brightness, the clarity of the zoom and the wide angle of view. However, during a trip to Finland in June this year, the local guide mentoned that the new Kowa was getting great reviews, so I contacted Pyser-SGI, who act as agents for Kowa in the UK, and they kindly lent me a review model.

First impressions are always important, and as I opened the box, I immediately liked the quality and construction, it felt familiar - it is actually quite like the Zeiss, with rapid and fine focus wheels, similar in size (actually a touch shorter, but also a touch taller due to longer eyepiece). As I put the bayonet of the zoom eyepiece in, it clicked nicely into place; the rapid focus took just two turns to go from minimum (c.5m) to maximum focus; the fine focus was smooth and easy. It felt a touch lighter than my Zeiss, too, which is always a good thing when carrying it all day whilst leading groups - it's weight is 1520g vs 1780g for the Zeiss. It has a good hood, which slides out easily, though there is no rubber armouring on exposed areas.

Image quality
However, it is the quality of the image which is the crucial element for all birders and in this respect I was blown away! The view was not quite as wide as on my Zeiss, but it was still stunningly sharp from edge to edge. I had become used to the slight distortion of the image at the edge of the Zeiss image, when at 20x - a small price for the huge objective lens and wide-angle of view - but on the Kowa I felt that the distortion was minimal and certainly not as soft as on my Zeiss. As I zoomed in, I became more and more impressed, and a little excited; I was amazed that the image-quality remained excellent all the way to 60x. There appeared to be no fall off beyond 50x, and checking the creases on the legs of roosting gulls became a real treat (!?). The sharpness was faultless, though some might feel that the extremely slight compression/distortion of the image at the very edge when fully zoomed out a touch disconcerting, but for 95% of the image this is not an issue.

The image colour was neutral. On my Zeiss, I had become used to the faint yellow colour cast typical of Zeiss (and indeed Swarovski for that matter) and it matched Leica in this respect. There was no colour-fringing around any subject, whether looking into the light or not. The image is incredibly bright, though only 3mm wider on the objective lens than the Zeiss, this would let through c.3.5% more light (and based on objective lens diameter alone, equates to 10% more than the Swarovski 80mm and 14.3% more than the Leica 77mm).

The zoom was amazing, so I changed to the 30x wide-angled eyepiece with high expectations, and this too was superb. More or less the same dimensions as the zoom, it was far superior to the 30x Zeiss eyepiece, which I always felt was a touch disappointing when compared with its zoom counterpart. It had a very wide angle of view: at 30x it was almost as wide-angled as the zoom eyepiece at 20x, and the image was crisp, neutral in colour and sharp from edge to edge. This eyepiece would be ideal for digiscoping or general use if you are not a fan of zooms (though I recommend you try the zoom as well), but I believe that there is also a 20x superwide eyepiece which might be even better for digiscoping, but have not used it.

[For those that wish for more technical data, they can go to the Pyser-SGI website at http://www.pyser-sgi.com/productdetail.asp?ProductID=2152 ]

It became apparent whilst using this 'scope that this was probably the best telescope I had looked through, and I have tried all on the market. There is no doubt is is expensive, being ?160 more expensive than the Swarovski 80mm and ?370 more than the Leica 77mm but if you want the best currently available you would want to try it. Though it is also obvious that chosing a 'scope is a matter of personal taste, I feel that you must have a look through this telescope before you spend all of that money.

Brian Small


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SzimiStyle
August 10th, 2008, 01:15 AM
Thanks for sharing this review. I can't wait to have one soon.
Read only positive comments on it. Hopefully KOWA binos will be as fine as this scope.

Szimi

AndyB
August 10th, 2008, 04:41 AM
Hi Szimi, I just got this scope today and hope to take it out Sunday so will post my impressions and maybe some digisnaps too. Best, Andy

AndyB
August 11th, 2008, 01:33 AM
Hi Szimi and others who might be interested in this scope. Finally ditched the 20yr old Optolyth TBS80 and got something I could see through. At this stage, any scope would be an improvement but it was a real pleasure to do a seawatch this morning and see the tail spoons on some distant Pomarine Skuas/Jaegers. Pink-footed Shearwaters were clearly identifiable at 1/2mile range +.

The digiscoping set up is also a real breeze and attached are some grabs through a Coolpix 4500.

Wide shot is coolpix on its own. Close-up of flowers is Coolpix attached to Kowa at 20x and last closer-up is a videograb through Kowa with Canon HV20 camera

SzimiStyle
August 11th, 2008, 06:23 PM
It sounds promising :) Thanks for sharing.

Szimi

Wachtel
February 26th, 2009, 09:21 PM
I ordered one yesterday, can't wait to try it out.

AndyB, I also have a Coolpix 4500, what kind of attachment do you use for digiscoping?

admin
February 28th, 2009, 06:21 AM
Hi Wachtel, I use the Kowa digiscoping adapter. I bought it at same time as scope. It's very good.
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Colin Key
February 28th, 2009, 10:50 AM
Hi Wachtel, I use the Kowa digiscoping adapter. I bought it at same time as scope. It's very good.

Have any of you guys who are digiscoping tried using a DSLR body with an appropriate adapter? If this Kowa 'scope is as good as everyone says it is, I would have thought that the Coolpix 4500 would not do it justice (it is now an old camera and I personally never got really good results with it attached to a Swarovski ATS80HD).

We have a very talented photographer called "Faísca" ("Sparky") on Fórum Aves who uses a Pentax or Canon body attached to a Zeiss Diascope 85 with a DSLR adapter and gets quite amazing results, in fact the best I have seen from any digiscoping setup. This is just a link to a randon photo, there are many more in the "Galeria" of Fórum Aves:

http://aves.team-forum.net/galeria-f13/larus-melanocephalus-t1680.htm

Colin

Wachtel
February 28th, 2009, 03:52 PM
I went out today just to test the new scope, it's -5 C here so the session was brief. The scope is amazing, so much better than my old TSN-1.

My old adapter didn't fit the big eye piece but just for fun I snapped a few pics free-hand with the 4500 and the result was much better than my poor results with the TSN-1.

I'll order the Kowa TSN-DA10 on Monday! A new camera will have to wait a bit but maybe someday ... :smile:

Brian S
February 28th, 2009, 04:52 PM
We have a very talented photographer called "Faísca" ("Sparky") on Fórum Aves who uses a Pentax or Canon body attached to a Zeiss Diascope 85 with a DSLR adapter and gets quite amazing results, in fact the best I have seen from any digiscoping setup. This is just a link to a randon photo, there are many more in the "Galeria" of Fórum Aves:

http://aves.team-forum.net/galeria-f13/larus-melanocephalus-t1680.htm

Colin

That's a pretty stunning shot through a 'scope.

Brian S

Joe stockwell
February 28th, 2009, 06:41 PM
not my photo but i can beat that- K200d + ziess 85

http://www.flickr.com/photos/faisca/3293785756/

take a look at some of the others, made me think...

Joe stockwell
February 28th, 2009, 06:42 PM
if i had read the post from colin properly i would have realised it was the same person :$

Colin Key
February 28th, 2009, 10:29 PM
A lot of Faísca's photos are taken "hand-held" from the widow of his jeep:

http://aves.team-forum.net/galeria-f13/rolieiro-t968.htm

He has also done some superb in-flight shots of Lesser Kestrel (and other species), but I can't lay my hands on them at the moment.

Colin

Piget
March 3rd, 2009, 08:59 PM
Hi Andy B, thanks for sharing your digiscoping pictures.
How do you rig the HV20 on the Kowa, what kind of adapter do you use ?
Is it possible to avoid vignetting ?

Thanks

AndyB
March 4th, 2009, 12:55 AM
Hi, I use the same Kowa digiscoping adaptor for the HV20 as I do for the Coolpix. There is a different size ring to screw it on to as the lens has a larger thread. I do zoom in to avoid vignetting. Unlike digiscoping where I don't mind if there's a bit of vignetting because I can crop out wigth photoshop, with video, it's hard to post-process to remove vignetting (unless someone has a good tip to share).

This lark Sparrow: http://surfbirds.com/video2/view_video.php?viewkey=d89b0f5442ca3db4d0e0

and

Savannah Sparrow:http://surfbirds.com/video2/view_video.php?viewkey=048d1a6f86c2c4591b7e

are examples of video using this set up.

Great link to photos on Flickr - that Sardinian is really nice!

AndyB
March 4th, 2009, 05:05 AM
By the way, this is the Kowa adaptor:
http://www.optics4birding.com/item.aspx?cid=14211
and you can buy different size rings to attach to it depending on thread size of camera you're attaching. I have two rings, one for coolpix and one for HV20.

michael23
March 4th, 2009, 12:04 PM
those videos are superb, deffinately the best quality i have seen. what eyepiece do you photograph them through?

Piget
March 4th, 2009, 01:27 PM
Andy, thanks for your answers. Those images are very good.
Do you need an extra mount to hold the camcorder body ? Can you easily move the whole setup to follow a flying bird for example ?

Thanks

AndyB
March 4th, 2009, 04:02 PM
Those videos were taken with 20x and I digital zoomed in with the camera a little to reduce the vignetting. No extra mount needed when using the HV20, just screws on just like the Coolpix. I don't think I would sling tripod over my shoulder and hike with HV20 attached though. Need a fairly sturdy tripod as it's a decent amount of weight (I use a Manfrotto).