Opinion on that Phyllos

[macrourus]

Could anybody have a look at this disgusting quality video of a Phyllos filmed in italy these days??

It was reported to be a Greenish W. or even an Eastern Crowned W. of course quality of image horrible but what about the call??

Anybody suck Peter Kennerley or other could give advise?

To my hears the call its too soft and not full enough for Greenish (may be a soft viridanus?? But I do not think so) not sweet and nice enough

For coronatus ?? It sounds also a bit different I think but I do not know surely 100%

It may be for me an eastern collybita, may be the one from Estonia, lituania or like so???

Help


video on Youtube at :

http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=1PfL-FTy0QE

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[macrourus]

No idea???????

I know the video is simply ridicolous (not mine of course :-) but the call should be ok to listen at...

Again, may be is as I think a bit odd chiffchaff but the observers insist its a rare one and so other person opinions from Asia or with great knowledge on that area would be helpful

Cheers
AC
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[forktail]

No idea???????

I know the video is simply ridicolous (not mine of course :-) but the call should be ok to listen at...

Again, may be is as I think a bit odd chiffchaff but the observers insist its a rare one and so other person opinions from Asia or with great knowledge on that area would be helpful

Cheers
AC

Hi Andrea

I don't have great knowledge of these birds but I have seen quite a lot of most of them and heard them call... Doesn't sound Greenish-like as that should be distinctly disyllabic. Two-barred Greenish should be trisyllabic. Arctic has a very sharp, hard DZIK!

Pale-legged calls are very 'wimpy' and weak, and Eastern-crowned I'm not familiar enough with to remember but the call is described as a harsh 'zweet' but these are more of a canopy or mid-storey bird.

Can't see a thing in the video but i did once hear a Chiffchaff in January in Greece calling quite like this bird

F.

[AndyB]

2 more videos here:

http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=kg6n_jC9nvs

http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=uYmdcFRIyM4

I also attach some screen grabs. Some of those shorter videos give a little more plumage (possibly). It seems to have quite a dark crown, eyestripe and a well pronounced median stripe (picture5)..?

YouTube really down-rez video (so it's accessible to the masses) and wonder if we can get a hold of the source footage either wmv or avi or qt as that may give us more plumage details.

[Brian S]

Andrea

I can see nothing in the video (I could finish my sentence here!) that doesn't tally with Common Chiffchaff. The structure and behaviour all look fine to me (from what I can make out) and I, like forktail, have heard chiffs give this first note of their song as a call in winter. It certainly doesn't sound like Radde's or Dusky; don't know about Mountain Chiff, but believe they call like Common.....

Unless any better images turn up, this is as far as we can go.

Brian S

[macrourus]

Thanks for the reply...My opinion,a s you have understood from my mail, was toward a bit odd soundig collybita.... But the observers told there was a median stripe over corwn and a strong supercilium and yellowish breast against paler troat...
however, as you say, on jizz and on call best option is collybita (look at the very long looking tail for ex., not good for most eastern Phyllos)

But now I can convince the observers that other good birder agreed on collybita

Thanks

Andrea
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[AndyB]

Hi Andrea, if you contact them, is there a chance they could send their video to me? (surfbirds@surfbirds.com). I can post some higher res video grabs here for you all to see.

Youtube really reduces the size of video and I feel I also see a really pronounced median stripe and supercilium (but maybe this bird has dirty messed up crown feathers).

[Frenchy]

From what i can see, i'd agree completely with Brian. It looks and sounds like a normal Chiffchaff. It's possible that there is something we can't see in the videograbs, but i suspect the apparent median crown stripe in pic 5 is an effect of some kind, possibly a leaf in front of the bird?

Paul.

[Christian Brinkman]

If you want better resolution video's on the internet, try www.veoh.com.
It takes a bit longer to post, but I recon it's worth it.

[Brian S]

Christian

This is the homepage, so what do you search for? If you could find it and post a link, it would help me more.

Thanks.

Brian S

[Christian Brinkman]

The movie isn't yet on there but Veoh holds better quality than youtube so if macrourus could upload his movie to Veoh it would help with the ID of the bird.
For instance:
Dunlin on Youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL-0gDpOLcQ)
and
Dunlin on Veoh (http://www.veoh.com/videos/v15159537aCpEsS2)

[macrourus]

This is NOt my own video, otherwise much easier as I would has seen the bird in the field and no problem then...

Is a video circulating on italian birding web pages in italy and for which I was asked to give an opinion...

That are divided into collybita a bit odd calling (mine), humei (several), coronatus few) greenish (few)...

Ciao


I could ask the observers to try to send better res video to Andy or to the web

Ciao and thanks so much

Andrea
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