Colin Key

[neillcc]

What Is Your Problem Colin? Seems That You Have A Personal Vendeta With Me.
You Must Be A Very Bored And Lonely Person If All You Can Do Is Sit At Home Waiting For Me To Add To This Forum Only To Attack Whatever I Add.
Well Its People Like You That Drive People Away So I Will No Longer Be Adding To This Forum.
Last Time You Made Snide Comments I Had A Number Of E_mails From Other Members Giving Me Support, They Also Think That One Bad Apple, Thats You, Ruin This Site.
So Goodbye All. I Have Enjoyed Most Of Your Company And Thanks For Your Support To Those On This Site That Are Of The Same Opinion Of Me About Colin Key
P.S ALL OF YOU THAT SENT ME E-MAILS OF SUPPORT MAYBE YOU SHOULD ALL NOW VOICE YOUR OPINIONS ABOUT COLIN THEN MAYBE THE MODERATOR WILL DO SOMETHING!

[Colin Key]

I am sorry Neill,

There is nothing at all personal intended. You originally came here to advertise your website and I genuinely wanted to give you some advice; your site was badly put together, the spelling and grammar were appalling and you had flooded it with a gallery of truly dreadful photos, some of which were wrongly identifed. My suggestion that you "get some professional advice" was not meant to be anything other than helpful. I, and others, also felt that your website name was very misleading and had absolutely nothing to do with "twitching" whatsoever - one is left with the impression that you are using the term in the same way that a layman naively does, that is anything to do with birds is twitching. The content of your PM to me was that you had a proven track record, knew it all, and everything was O.K. so you did not need anyone's advice. That's fine by me.

When I subsequently corrected your I.D. of Great Grey Shrike and explained the split of the ssp. meridionalis to full species status as Southern Grey Shrike, I did so politely and was merely pointing out a (quite common) mistake. Your subsequent comments on that were "off track" and revealed a lack of understanding.

I stand by my last comment made about that last batch of photos you uploaded - what is the point in posting a series of nearly identical shots of the same bird at such huge dimensions when the I.Q. of the photos (all very out of focus) is so poor?

If your birdwatching-holiday enterprise is flourishing then I am pleased, but I am still of the opinion that your "shop window" is far from enticing. Even if you did not pay for a professional web designer, just getting someone to proof-read what you are publishing and using fewer but better photos, would be a great improvement, or do you not see that?

I am sorry that you have misconstrued my comments - I certainly do not mince my words, but I am not given to making a personal attack in public. As a self-confessed successful businessman you must surely know that if you stick your head above the trench, you must expect to get shot at now and again.

Best wishes,

Colin

[beltonbirder]

I agree with Colin we are just rying to help you and advise you with your site. We are all a very friendly bunch and we just want to help you.

[neillcc]

I am sorry Neill,

There is nothing at all personal intended. You originally came here to advertise your website and I genuinely wanted to give you some advice; your site was badly put together, the spelling and grammar were appalling and you had flooded it with a gallery of truly dreadful photos, some of which were wrongly identifed. My suggestion that you "get some professional advice" was not meant to be anything other than helpful. I, and others, also felt that your website name was very misleading and had absolutely nothing to do with "twitching" whatsoever - one is left with the impression that you are using the term in the same way that a layman naively does, that is anything to do with birds is twitching. The content of your PM to me was that you had a proven track record, knew it all, and everything was O.K. so you did not need anyone's advice. That's fine by me.

When I subsequently corrected your I.D. of Great Grey Shrike and explained the split of the ssp. meridionalis to full species status as Southern Grey Shrike, I did so politely and was merely pointing out a (quite common) mistake. Your subsequent comments on that were "off track" and revealed a lack of understanding.

I stand by my last comment made about that last batch of photos you uploaded - what is the point in posting a series of nearly identical shots of the same bird at such huge dimensions when the I.Q. of the photos (all very out of focus) is so poor?

If your birdwatching-holiday enterprise is flourishing then I am pleased, but I am still of the opinion that your "shop window" is far from enticing. Even if you did not pay for a professional web designer, just getting someone to proof-read what you are publishing and using fewer but better photos, would be a great improvement, or do you not see that?

I am sorry that you have misconstrued my comments - I certainly do not mince my words, but I am not given to making a personal attack in public. As a self-confessed successful businessman you must surely know that if you stick your head above the trench, you must expect to get shot at now and again.

Best wishes,

Colin
COLIN
I CHECKED MY E_MAILS THIS MORNING AND 58 MEMBERS OF THIS FORUM PERSONALLY CONTACTED ME ALL SAYING THE SAME THING ABOUT YOU THAT YOU ARE A BUSY BODY THAT IS ALWAYS TRYING TO SHOOT PEOPLE DOWN IN FLAMES AND NOT TO TAKE ANY NOTICE. I REPEAT 58 PEOPLE WITH THE SAME OPINION AS ME.

[Jacqueline Burrell]

I agree with Colin and beltonbirder. In my opinion it is all too easy to over react and take things too personally.

But I have to say that I suspect there are some members, including me, that have found Colin to be an f***ing difficult s*d sometimes. This is, however, over shadowed by his knowledge and continuing valuable contribution to this site. He has also come to my rescue when things got a little out of hand in the ID forum and his assistance was much appreciated.

All the best

Jacqueline

[Colin Key]

COLIN
I CHECKED MY E_MAILS THIS MORNING AND 58 MEMBERS OF THIS FORUM PERSONALLY CONTACTED ME ALL SAYING THE SAME THING ABOUT YOU THAT YOU ARE A BUSY BODY THAT IS ALWAYS TRYING TO SHOOT PEOPLE DOWN IN FLAMES AND NOT TO TAKE ANY NOTICE. I REPEAT 58 PEOPLE WITH THE SAME OPINION AS ME.

I have always found that people who shout, or write in upper-case (capital letters, to you), have very little to say.

Do not expect any further dialogue from my side.

Colin :tongue:

[Joe stockwell]

what a stupid PUBLIC post, neil this is out of order and to me it sounds like You have the problem not colin!

I agree colin can be upfront but this is not the sort of trash i expect to read on a birdwatching forum.

[Odonate]

this is not the sort of trash i expect to read on a birdwatching forum.

Don't go and look at Birdforum then........

If I can proffer my two penneth worth....... Can we just accept that wires have been crossed on this and get on with talking about birds?

[john c]

I hadn't noticed any unduely untoward posts from Colin nor have I found him 'difficult'; in fact in my dealing with him I've found him knowledgable and helpful. However, if Neil's had 58 posts in his support, I suppose I must have missed something.

I've also had a pleasant correspondence with Neil who, in my view, hasn't done himself any service in making this spat public and by "shouting" about it in upper case. I really don't think, however, much though Neil may feel it's justified that this was a sensible route to take. However undiplomatic Colin's critique may have been, I think Neil should focus on the gist of Colin's points rather than react overmuch to the nature of their delivery.

With best wishes to both parties,

John

[forktail]

Oh dear

This isn't the place for this - other forums are better at this kind of thing as mentioned above.

Col has his idiosyncracies, as do we all, but his heart's in the right place. It would have been nice to see 58 people commenting on 'leading' figures in the birding world ignoring the long arm of the law then getting involved in this. I can only presume the mods haven't seen this thread?

[admin]

Thanks all for reigning this in (which is generally boring to read for everyone else). Everyone's had their say, let's close this thread. Neil, why don't we take this offline. I've just sent you an email. Best, Admin
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[Andrew Cunningham]

Neil,

I think this thread was made in the heat of the moment and that time needs to be taken to read each post made by Colin and you will see there is no direct malice intended towards you. It was pure sound advice. When asking for advice or opinions we can not expect all answers to suit our desires which is nothing more than sycophancy, some advice will be hard to take.

I have had lots of help from Colin in my correspondence with him so I hope you can review the situation in the correct light and continue to use this blossoming forum.

Cheers,
Andrew.

[beltonbirder]

Since coming onto this forum I have found Colin to be very friendly and helpful and the comments he made were just helping out. Had Colin told me those things about my web site I would have thanked him and asked for his help.

Keep posting Colin you are a key poster and we will miss you very much.
BB

[Colin Key]

Keep posting Colin you are a key poster and we will miss you very much.
BB

But I am not going anyhere!!! :err:

Thanks to you BB, and others, for your support on this one.

Muito obrigado,

Colin :beer:

[JanJ]

Hello Collin and all.

I´m not gonna involve my self in this one Colin, but for a few words. Firstly, everyone has to be aware of the fact that we men are a prestidgious lot. :cool: Then there´s of course the more sensitive ones, or at least what it appears to be (:err:) who might not understand the way of 'lingo' which sometimes is expressed in forums like this (see Birdforum). Some kind of adjustments in the way of which we express ourself is advisible, because we don´t know half of the people we 'meet' in these forums. That doesn´t mean we have to treat people like they where some kind of sensitive fools, but everything has to do with how it´s said, done and how often, as I´m sure everyone really knows.

Here´s to all, and I mean all! :beer:

JanJ

[Collalba]

I echo JanJ on this one and hope both Neil and Colin let this die and continue to post on this forum. We 'all' have problems now and again with expressing ourselves in a way we might intend. You take a look at other forums, or simply read some of your text message/emails, then you see things get abrieviated and do not give true meaning to how you best wished to express yourself.

In the end think before writing and think before reacting.


In Peace,
Peter

[beltonbirder]

Anyone seen any good birds lately?

[Colin Key]

Anyone seen any good birds lately?

Nope, sweet F.A.

Colin :smile::beer:

[beltonbirder]

Do the Hoopoes migrate in Winter? Did not see any at Laurette two weeks ago. Nr Barcelona

[Collalba]

Do the Hoopoes migrate in Winter? Did not see any at Laurette two weeks ago. Nr Barcelona

Birds, what are they? Yep lets get to discussing what we all enjoy best.

Hoopoe mostly migrate south into Africa, but a percentage do winter in southern iberian peninsula. We have a good number here in Andalucia for the winter, but these numbers greatly increase during periods of migration and summer.

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