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    Can you help me ID the next 2 birds? Photos 2 and 3 are from the same bird, the first photo is from another bird.

    I can not see Chiffchaffs in them and best guess is Western BonelliŽs Warbler for the last 2 photos.

    Thanks,

    Bert
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    Birdwatching Alentejo

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    Vogels in Portugal

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    You can stay at our holiday cottages at Monte Horizonte and we can show you the birds.

  • #2
    Hi Bert

    The first photo looks fine for chiffchaff to me. 2 and 3 also look to be chiffs. It looks strange due to the feathers being wet and pushed back around the bill. The bill looks unusually long and curved in 2. No green in the wings or tail, and the tertials look very plain too for bonelli's

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    • #3
      Hi Bert
      Bonelli's is a much 'cleaner' bird than chiffchaff with obvious green fringes on flight feathers and tail, grey-green head and upperparts and white underparts. You'll definitely know it when you see one!
      Terry

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      • #4
        Thank you both, IŽll tell you those Chiffchaffs are driving me crazy.
        Do you want to see the Birds of the Alentejo region in Portugal?

        For more information:

        Birdwatching Alentejo

        For Dutch:

        Vogels in Portugal

        Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/birdwatchingalentejo.portugal

        You can stay at our holiday cottages at Monte Horizonte and we can show you the birds.

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        • #5
          Terry, I took this photo today. Is this what you mean or are the Chiffys now driving me mad?
          Attached Files
          Do you want to see the Birds of the Alentejo region in Portugal?

          For more information:

          Birdwatching Alentejo

          For Dutch:

          Vogels in Portugal

          Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/birdwatchingalentejo.portugal

          You can stay at our holiday cottages at Monte Horizonte and we can show you the birds.

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          • #6
            Hello Bert

            The head and back is lacking grey, and the green in the wings and tail doesn't appear bright enough for bonelli's. I believe you have photographed a willow warbler. Keep taking photo's and your bound to get one sooner or later

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            • #7
              Thank you Nandrews, I will stay on it.
              Do you want to see the Birds of the Alentejo region in Portugal?

              For more information:

              Birdwatching Alentejo

              For Dutch:

              Vogels in Portugal

              Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/birdwatchingalentejo.portugal

              You can stay at our holiday cottages at Monte Horizonte and we can show you the birds.

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              • #8
                Bert.

                You tell me, I don't learn, which is true, seeming as everybody spends their time insulting me not teaching me, but how comes you endlessly ask for IDs on the forum. You must have started c50 ID threads, which I have no problem with, but the fact you tell me I'm not learning, is unfair, seeming as you are constantly asking for IDs.

                My advice is for you to get a field guide, maybe take some notes about the behaviour of the bird you see. Come home, compare your pictures with the picture in the guide, and compare the behaviour with the description of the bird in the guide.

                I as a person who needs ID all the time find it very useful and makes it easier, faster and more rewarding to do it yourself, although sometimes you need confirmation or an ID.

                Just don't tell me I'm not learning when you live asking for IDs yourself.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Old World Warbler View Post
                  Bert.

                  You tell me, I don't learn, which is true, seeming as everybody spends their time insulting me not teaching me, but how comes you endlessly ask for IDs on the forum. You must have started c50 ID threads, which I have no problem with, but the fact you tell me I'm not learning, is unfair, seeming as you are constantly asking for IDs.

                  My advice is for you to get a field guide, maybe take some notes about the behaviour of the bird you see. Come home, compare your pictures with the picture in the guide, and compare the behaviour with the description of the bird in the guide.

                  I as a person who needs ID all the time find it very useful and makes it easier, faster and more rewarding to do it yourself, although sometimes you need confirmation or an ID.

                  Just don't tell me I'm not learning when you live asking for IDs yourself.
                  The difference is Bert doesn't ask for 2nd opinions, or question people i.d of your birds when you don't know what they are yourself. learning bird identification is a life long hobby. You cannot learn it all, thats impossible.

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                  • #10
                    Nick and Terry,

                    This one looks different to me, much more white on the belly? Chiffy again?

                    Thanks,

                    Bert
                    Attached Files
                    Do you want to see the Birds of the Alentejo region in Portugal?

                    For more information:

                    Birdwatching Alentejo

                    For Dutch:

                    Vogels in Portugal

                    Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/birdwatchingalentejo.portugal

                    You can stay at our holiday cottages at Monte Horizonte and we can show you the birds.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Old World Warbler View Post
                      Bert.

                      You tell me, I don't learn, which is true, seeming as everybody spends their time insulting me not teaching me, but how comes you endlessly ask for IDs on the forum. You must have started c50 ID threads, which I have no problem with, but the fact you tell me I'm not learning, is unfair, seeming as you are constantly asking for IDs.

                      My advice is for you to get a field guide, maybe take some notes about the behaviour of the bird you see. Come home, compare your pictures with the picture in the guide, and compare the behaviour with the description of the bird in the guide.

                      I as a person who needs ID all the time find it very useful and makes it easier, faster and more rewarding to do it yourself, although sometimes you need confirmation or an ID.

                      Just don't tell me I'm not learning when you live asking for IDs yourself.
                      Clearly, Bert is a gent and I guess that's why people are more than happy to help with his IDs.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Bert View Post
                        Nick and Terry,

                        This one looks different to me, much more white on the belly? Chiffy again?

                        Thanks,

                        Bert
                        Hi Bert

                        Don't suppose you got any more pics of this bird? Looks like a 'sylvia' type warbler to me.

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                        • #13
                          Hi Nick,

                          Yes, I have. I always try to take as much pics as possible when I am not sure about a bird. Here they are:
                          Attached Files
                          Do you want to see the Birds of the Alentejo region in Portugal?

                          For more information:

                          Birdwatching Alentejo

                          For Dutch:

                          Vogels in Portugal

                          Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/birdwatchingalentejo.portugal

                          You can stay at our holiday cottages at Monte Horizonte and we can show you the birds.

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                          • #14
                            its a phylosc and i think its a chiff too. i can't make out a supercilium from the photo though. still doesn't look right for a bonelli's warbler though i'm afraid bert

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                            • #15
                              Thank you Nick, amazing how 1 bird can look so different (at least to me) But I will keep on trying.
                              Do you want to see the Birds of the Alentejo region in Portugal?

                              For more information:

                              Birdwatching Alentejo

                              For Dutch:

                              Vogels in Portugal

                              Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/birdwatchingalentejo.portugal

                              You can stay at our holiday cottages at Monte Horizonte and we can show you the birds.

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