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  • Parrot Crossbill ID

    wondered if anyone had thoughts on the ID of the Sussex bird

    http://native2sussexbirding.blogspot...own-today.html

    http://eastsussexbirding.blogspot.co...-overcast.html

  • #2
    Looks OK to me. If not Parrot, it's Scottish, which isn't too likely (!).

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    • #3
      Hirundo...what are your thoughts?

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      • #4
        I see that there have been doubts raised about this bird by LGRE publicly and I imagine others privately. What, aside from the lack of other Parrot Crossbills in W Europe this winter are the issues with this bird?
        James

        Birding Yorkshire

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        • #5
          Thanks all. I was a little confused, because the silhouette views of the bird's structure looked good to me but was reading posts about Eastern Crossbills with large bills. It's been many years since I've since Parrot Crossbill though (sometime in the 80s when those birds bred at Wells?).

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Hirundo View Post
            ...was reading posts about Eastern Crossbills with large bills.
            Do you have links to these? I'd be interested to have a read and look at some photos, as I'm sure others would.

            Cheers
            Josh
            Josh Jones
            http://joshrjones.blogspot.co.uk/

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            • #7
              There's a 1980's Holkham bird photo on Surfbirds "Blast from the Past", just search on Parrot Crossbill.

              http://www.surfbirds.com/cgi-bin/gal...lery=gallery23

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              • #8
                Eastern Crossbill post
                http://uk400clubrarebirdalert.blogsp...rossbills.html

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Firecrest15 View Post
                  There's a 1980's Holkham bird photo on Surfbirds "Blast from the Past", just search on Parrot Crossbill.

                  http://www.surfbirds.com/cgi-bin/gal...lery=gallery23
                  direct link

                  http://www.surfbirds.com/media/galle...0310041000.jpg

                  Brian S

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                  • #10
                    What do they mean by "Eastern Crossbill"?? Common Crossbills east of the Urals have if anything, slightly slenderer bills than European Common Crossbills (not surprising, as Siberian Spruce has smaller, less tough cones than Norway Spruce).

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                    • #11
                      http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=4196...tt%20crossbill - more photos. I wonder if these better images will prove conclusive.

                      Brian S

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                      • #12
                        I expect that a recording of the call might give the fastest closure

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                        • #13
                          How does one prove that the putative 'eastern' Crossbill on Fair Isle is that at all without isotope analysis. Makes no sense to me. It looks like a Parrot Crossbill and thus it might be a mythical 'eastern' Crossbill. Has anyone asked Lindsay Cargill his opinion? Not sure the new clearer pictures do much as the angle affects the ability to assess bill depth. The lower mandible looks pretty deep and angled for me. Someone get their terlinga out.
                          James

                          Birding Yorkshire

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                          • #14
                            Whilst the bird looks pretty good i've heard nothing yet regarding call. Having been lured into a Parrot trap before myself I've read up a fair bit on these and it would seem that for all species (Two-barred included), the only safe way of confirming species is on call.

                            I have three images of a bird from mid-wales in 2007 but I can't figure out how to attach them here (cos i'm dim with technology- i'll try and sort this out). Whilst the angle doesn't help the image this bird had a monster bill, bigger than anything i've seen in Wales other than the Parrots in Clocaenog in the early '90's. My immediate reaction was Parrot but luckily with follow up from Alex Lees and exceptionally valuable input from Lindsay Cargill up north it was decided that this bird was a large billed Common. I had no sound recordings and I never saw the bird again. Now i have a mic and edirol strapped to my belt whenever i walk into a conifer forest just to be on the dafe side.

                            May ID on this bird should hold off until recordings are available...?

                            Why also should we rule out Scots 'Bill? Like all Crossbills there are years when its 'rare' in Scotland, so they must go somewhere. Respect for whoever pulls the first out in England, Wales or further afield.

                            Cheers

                            Dan

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Hotspur View Post
                              How does one prove that the putative 'eastern' Crossbill on Fair Isle is that at all without isotope analysis. Makes no sense to me. It looks like a Parrot Crossbill and thus it might be a mythical 'eastern' Crossbill.
                              This is what I was thinking...! That post on 'Eastern' Crossbills sounds like utter speculation.
                              Josh Jones
                              http://joshrjones.blogspot.co.uk/

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