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    Default Swift or Pallid Swift? Confirmation please.

    Took this photo today at the Santo André lagoon in the Alentejo region of Portugal.

    Looks like a Swift to me but my Collins states that they are almost similar.

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    Its a Pallid Swift. Shot one is excellent and shows all the main features really well including the a clearly larger pale throat, scaly feathering to the body, translucent inner primaries and secondaries with darker outer primaries. You can just see the dark mask too.

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    Agree Pallid and well done for capturing all the key features in the first picture.
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    If these photos all refer to one bird then they illustrate the problems faced by rarities committees in NW Europe.

    For some reason I started with the last, which looked black-bodied and with restricted white throat, and so a Common Swift, I thought; this was backed up by the third, which shows a dark rump - I associate a paler rump with Pallid; however, the first shows a more extensive white throat and pale/dark crescental marks on the body, like a Pallid. If they are all of the same bird, only one looks like a Pallid.

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    Thank you Steve, Russ and Brian.

    Brian, I think you are spot on. The big problem here is that it was a group of 10 and it seems that Common Swift and Pallid Swift join up together. Now, I do not know if one of you have tried to follow just one bird in a group of Swifts trying to make a photo but that seems to me almost impossible. I was happy enough to get some of them into focus to make the shot

    So it is very well possible that the birds I took the photos of are as well Pallid Swift and Common Swift.

    In that case I would have 2 to ad to my list of birds of which I have photos for my blog, which of course would make me very happy. But I want to be sure before I post them on my blog, so please help.

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    My view as well - started with 4th bird which could be Common Swift and finally arrived at 1st shot which is classic Pallid. Most useful series.

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    My opinion is that you have both Pallid (image 1) and Common Swifts (2,3,4).

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    Thank you Seawatcheruk and Brian. That was very helpful!
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    Just coming back to this thread and I was basing all my comments on shot 1 (clearly classic Pallid for me) and as eluded to in my earlier post and having only glanced at the other shots but not considering they were a different bird! Now Brian has pointed it out, yep, other shots are Common IMO too.

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    Thank you Steve.
    Do you want to see the Birds of the Alentejo region in Portugal?

    For more information:

    Birdwatching Alentejo

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    Vogels in Portugal

    Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/birdwatchingalentejo.portugal

    You can stay at our holiday cottages at Monte Horizonte and we can show you the birds.

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