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    Default Stint ID in California (was Bluethroat Southern California)

    let's hope it's another good asian year for southern california. Bluethroat on San Clemente Island today (photos below):
    http://picasaweb.google.com/jfidorra/Bluethroat091408#
    and a Little Stint at Moonglow Dairy (would be good to get some stint expert input):
    http://montereybay.com/creagrus/MTYbirdsLIST.html
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    As to a good Asian year for Southern California; there was an Eastern Yellow Wagtail in Santa Barbara County on September 1, 2008. http://mysite.verizon.net/res0d1yq . And a Little Stint just out of Southern Cali in Monterey County this weekend. I too am hoping for an Arctic & Dusky Warbler for my patch this fall. I would like birders with experience with Buethroats to comment on the subspecies of this bird. And what is the theory how such a bird got to Southern California? Mirror/180 does not seem to apply here.

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    Forgot about that Yellow Wagtail. Last year saw both Arctic and Dusky Warblers so maybe another good year is in the making. Presumably this Bluethroat is svecica which breeds in Alaska.

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    Andy

    there's something odd about the Little Stint that gives a bit of concern. I can't work out if it just the odd feeding angle, but the pale lower scapulars, with dark subterminal marks, may be another.

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    more photos here on Bill Hill's site:
    http://fp2k.redshift.com/billhill/Li...nt/index.htm#7

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    Still looks like a Red-necked to me. As well as the plumage, that flat-backed appearance is typical. See this site for lots of juv Red-necked.

    http://homepage2.nifty.com/stints/ca...ckedstint.html

    In particular this one

    http://homepage2.nifty.com/stints/ca...edneck-jO.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by W. Ruskin Butterfield View Post
    And what is the theory how such a bird got to Southern California? Mirror/180 does not seem to apply here.
    We touched on Sibe vagrancy to SOCAL in Gilroy & Lees (2003). See also here.

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    Thanks for your persistence on the stint. It's been nagging me too. I'm rusty on stints (not seeing them over here at all) but did get a refresher with an adult Red-necked last month and reminded of how they can appear fat, short-legged and flat-backed when feeding compared to my memories of Little.

    This Monterey bird structurally has pro Red-necked features including being flat-backed, short-legged and short-billed. Plumage-wise, pale lower scapulars with dark subterminal bars seems to be visible but tough with these photos on my monitor. The rather poorly marked breast (compared to classic Little) would also seem to favor Red-necked no? The photos on Stint Fan's website in Brian's link (a must have bookmark for wader enthusiasts by the way) show some juveniles with split supercilium and "mantle braces" that match this bird, in particular this first link. There also seems to be photos with juveniles with some warm peachey breast sides (esp one labelled rufous is very extreme).
    http://homepage2.nifty.com/stints/ca...dneck-jAB.html

    By the way, if this is a Red-necked, it would be the first juvenile I believe to be IDed in CA.

    Thanks for the reminder to your excellent article Alex. Scatter theory would seem to apply to the astonishing siberian and eastern vagrants that turn up in the middle of the desert at random watering holes east of LA and a long way from any coastal migrant trap eg recent years has produced spring Eye-browed Thrush, Black-backed Wagtail, Dusky Warbler, Gray-tailed Tattler, Eurasian Whimbrel, Red-necked Stint and Wood Sandpiper, Arctic Warblers and currently a Red-throated Pipit. I guess a lot of these asian migrants are just filtering through California in decent numbers and only a few are being found at the more intensively watched areas. I imagine they get lost in the wintering grounds in central america - I guess it's just a fluke that Yellow-browed Warbler, Olive-backed Pipit and Dotterel have been found just south of the border in Mexico in recent years. There's presumably a lot more out there lurking unseen.
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    Whilst Stint discussion is fresh, wanted to bump up this thread for stint input please. Bird is Monterey's second Little Stint

    The two pages of photos are here
    http://creagrus.home.montereybay.com/MTYbirdsLIST.html
    http://fp2k.redshift.com/billhill/Li...nt/index.htm#7

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    Accepted as a Little Stint (Caliris minuta ) by the easy-breezy California Rare Bird Committee.
    http://www.californiabirds.org/cbrc_book/update.pdf .

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