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    Common Buzzard indeed.

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    It's a Buteo buteo.

    Tail looks fine, and size is difficult to judge against a clear sky with no reference points and indeterminate distance. But plumage and structure is clearly a Common Buzzard.

    Is there much point in asking if one disputes the unanimous opinion?!
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    Common Buzzard (Buteo buteo) It is very easy to misjudge size in bright sunlight with nothing else to compare size with.

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    Thank you all. Everyday we learn. Ill put it as a Common Buzzard on my list.

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    a Buteo for sure.... but I can't eliminate with 100% of confidence a Long-legged Buzzard from this pictures, may be a cirtensis... this could explain the eagle impression and the long tail... for sure however a Buteo (buteo?)

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    My impression of cirtensis is of a smaller bird than rufinus, so perhaps not too different to buteo.

    See http://www.terra.es/personal3/gutarb/arbsi005.htm

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    Judging size accurately is difficult at the best of times - doing so against a bright and featureless sky whilst trying to take a photo only compounds the problem.

    I see nothing on this bird that suggests either Booted or Bonelli's Eagle whereas several features look spot on for Buzzard. As for tail length, this seems a little shorter than the breadth of the wing (at the base) which, judging from photos of Common Buzzard, looks about right for that species. me this bird,

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    cirtensis its far smaller than nominate rufinus...in short there should be a paper from me on this taxon in British Birds and in Dutch Birding too (plus note on distribution in Sandgrouse) ....

    But the "impression" its of an heavier bird, again a heavy bird like rufinus even if far smaller and less bulky and aquiline, but giving this impression to the observer without direct comaprison of other bird. However, I mentioned those taxa to say that is not SO easy to ID a Buteo from such pictures with so stright and direct confidence as it seems for everybody here... its always an hard task when we come to Buteo sp. complex in WP and we shpould keep it with caution....

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    and look at the link Brian posted to check out similarities in plumage and structure to the portugese bird...

    but, again, I will not be sure from that. Sure a Buteo sp. so far anyhow

    (in same web page Rare Birds in Spain, check my paper on cirtensis)
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    dag Bert,

    things that you are familiar with "back home" may look a little different when abroad. Stronger light, different settings and no size reference in the shape of alarming Lapwings or Carrion Crows. The bird in your pictures really is a Common Buzzard (Buteo buteo). When you think back on the number of raptor species you have seen with a nice pale breast band you will come to the same cocnclusion, if not now then just wait for the Collins to arrive.

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