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    Amongst Rashed's many excellent images is this labelled as 'Isabelline Shrike' taken on Sept 2nd - http://www.flickr.com/photos/rashed11112/4951721395/ .

    Any comments on its ID?

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    If this is a Brown Shrike, as I suspect, will it be the first record for Kuwait?

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    Brian, just had a quick look at this Kuwait shrike. Would this not be a RED-BACKED SHRIKE? Very reminiscent of the Scilly Brown Shrike.

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    I have the same feeling as Lee, but it's a difficult bird. The bird lacks peachy hues below, and the outer vane of p6 looks rather whitish. I'd expect a cristatus in this light/angle to show a whiter supercilium and perhaps less juvenile body feathers. Tertials looks dark (commonly seen in cristatus, uncommonly in collurio). Wing/tail ratio and wingformula rather hard to judge in these images. Same goes for tail shape.

    More images would probably be helpful.

    Edit: sorry, meant t6 (not p6).
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    Note that there is a small twig covering some of the birds back making it look paler and more uniform than it (probably) is. I would go for Red-backed as well...

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    As Magnus mention - a perhaps not so straightforward collurio and might indeed be a cristatus. Wing formula is, unfortunately, not seen well enough, it shows, however, a long primary projection with at least 6 visible primaries beyond the tertials (p8-3). Even if the tail might look rather long - the long primary projection doesn´t create the combined ratio see in cristatus The pale lore suggest collurio but the bill looks a triffle big for that species.

    Another pic Rashed?

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    http://www.surfbirds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5832
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    Tail pattern seems to favour cristatus though (although similar collurio is sometimes seen). I understand Brians suspicions, but images from different angles would be useful.

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    I have no experience with Brown Shrike but had I seen this myself I would I am sure put it down as Red-backed. The bird is standing tall unlike many illustrations that show birds squat on their haunches making I feel the scolloping more prominent than is normally seen.
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    Might have been to fast to discharge it as Red-backed. As Jan and Magnus states the bill is rather large and tertials and tail pattern fits Brown well. I am not certain about the tail-length though. Regarding the primary projection it does look very long. This may be seen on Brown Shrike - at least the angle may at times fool you on this (se the Staines Moor bird: http://netfugl.dk/pictures.php?id=sh...cture_id=30299), but Rasheeds shot shouldn't give such problems.
    When I enlarged the image I got the feel of a slight curve on the outer tail - but a "feel" don't really cut it - but more photos probably would?
    Wonder if Rasheed is reading all of this?

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    "Wonder if Rasheed is reading all of this?"

    I have mailed him asking for more pic.

    JanJ

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