November 15th, 2011, 06:57 PM
More 4 id
I have brightened up these photographs to help identification.
If you tell me the crow is not a raven, i will go mad. I have waited years to see a raven and have already been told this crow is a carrion, but that was when the photo was unclear and pretty much unidentifiable. Howver, the brightening up of the background has revealed a powerful thickset chunky beak, like a raven and the bird was questioned by others in the hide whether it was a raven.
For the other photo, i would just ike a general answer e.g. Some sort oflark, tit (i know its not a tit) etc. Unless you can come up with an idea. The colours are unclear but the birds shape may give you clues to the species.
Have fun guessing at them and please reply.
Old world warbler!
November 15th, 2011, 07:38 PM
November 15th, 2011, 08:08 PM
Can I have someone else to confirm the lark. Somehow I haven't seen a lark this year so it would add another to my year list. Just confirming its a lark would help emensly.
November 15th, 2011, 08:38 PM
the first photo is a raven and the best photo i have ever seen and the bird sat in a tree can be whatever you want it to be.
November 15th, 2011, 08:48 PM
Once again, the photo is not clear enough to allow a certain ID. Tell us what you actually saw, assuming you did look at the bird and not just attempt to photograph it. There are no discernible plumage features and the shape is too poorly defined to assess accurately. What looks like a crest (presumably what contributed to the Skylark suggestion) may be a bit of the branch in front. The definition isn't good enough to be certain that the perception of the bill shape is accurate. It's a passerine - that far I can be pretty certain. There are a few species and families of passerine I'd rule out, but a lot more that you can't. If a bird doesn't present itself for a much better photo than this then you won't be able to ID it reliably from photos, so you either need to accept you can't ID it or you need to look at it, study it and take notes/sketches. You'll learn more from the latter even if you do have a chance to photograph it as well.
Practice working out the IDs with your newly acquired field guide and where you can't resolve it write down all the features you are seeing. Even if you can't draw for toffee (like me), try and draw it - the exercise of doing that will help you to record the critical details - otherwise it's far too easy to forget to notice critical features liek the shape of the bill or the colour of the legs. Don't expect to be able to identify every bird - brief or distant birds will (and should) remain unidentified, at least until you've got more experience under your belt. Get to know the common birds you see well and can identify.
November 15th, 2011, 09:04 PM
OWW - this is really sound advice from Dave. Writing down details (or better still, as he points out, attempting even the crudest sketch) forces you to really look at the bird.
If you ever get a chance, read Bill Oddie's Little Black Bird Book (Chapter 4, Identification) - irreverent and funny but actually with lots of good advice built in.
November 15th, 2011, 09:08 PM
ha ha ha ha
Originally Posted by greenwithensbirder
OWW you asked the lark question before and no matter how much you brighten the image, its still the size of a stamp and very un clear. Its a lark, most likely a skylark. If you keep asking until you get what you want to hear, you could be here a while!
Last edited by Nandrews; November 15th, 2011 at 09:12 PM.
November 16th, 2011, 07:11 AM
Before we get talking about ways 2 ID the birds can someone please confirm the raven. It wasn't quite the size of a buzzard, I admit it was the size of a carrion crow but it could be a younger bird. The bill is 2 heavy and chunky for a carrion surely.
November 16th, 2011, 07:18 AM
And Dave, the bird was hidden behind the twig infront of very dark clouds. What I saw was a sillohuete. My first thought was lark, it didn't appear to be a twig sticking out from the tree. It was the colour of a lark and beak was right for one. I will post up a size comparison with a redwing later this afternoon.
What are your thoughts on the raven?
November 16th, 2011, 09:20 AM
Originally Posted by Old World Warbler
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